Wed 19 Mar 2008
An Interesting Experience with Interactive Brokers
Posted by ray under Miscellaneous
I thought I’d share this experience with you - it may save you some money.
First off, let me say I did not suffer any dollar loss in this trade. In fact, I ended with a dollar a contract on a better fill. But, it could have cost me plenty. Here’s what happened.
At the moment, my personal account is with Interactive Brokers. At about 8:00 am EST, I placed a stop order to sell April Gold at 969.70. I saw the price trigger but the IB system did not immediately report a fill as is its practice.
I immediately cancelled the order. My intention was to exit at market and I did not want to be short. As the market was starting to bounce, I waited for a time to see if I could get a better fill. When Market Delta showed a return of selling pressure, I exited at market at 970.6. This took place at about 9:00 am EST.
About an hour ago I chatted to a representitive of IB. I told Ernest that my query was due to a concern for the stop order not being filled - and not because I was seeking financial compensation. His attitude worried me much more than finding out why the system fell down.
His whole approach was one of establishing that I cancelled the stop order before the prices traded through it - not in finding out why the stop had not been filled.
Think about this for a moment: what this means is I am going to have to Camtasia every time I place an order with IB. This is the only way I am going to be able to show that prices were trading through my stop levels before I cancelled an order. I do snag my orders but that would not have helped in this case.
But as I said, it wasn’t the system failure that concerned me as much as Ernest’s approach. With that attitude, IB will not find the problem and there clearly is one.
My solution:
- Change brokers as soon as I can and in the meantime
- Cam every time I place an IB order.



























March 19th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Ray
I experienced the same.
I froze when I saw GC sliding through my stops without the stop order being filled! Eventually, 1 was filled but I had to hit market to get a worse fill.
All that I have gained over the week is given back.
Unlike you, I only SnagIt when the orders are filled instead of before. Will now SnagIt before and after whenever I put in my orders.
From your discussion with IB, I am also concerned and will need to find an alternative broker soon.
March 19th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Hi Ana
I am sorry to hear of your experience. You have Camtasia, I recommend you Cam the orders as well as snaging it.
March 19th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
hi ray: please let the readers know if and when you find the replacement. i’ve been searching for comments about brokers, and ib has never been known for its customer relations desk. keep us posted.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Hi Ray,
I have faced similar difficulties with their system and their rep attitude. Just can’t seem to get our point through to them.
I have since opened a new account with Thinkorswim. Their commission is a little more expensive than IB, but excellent customer service. They take in customers’ feedback and continually improve their system. Worth a try!
March 20th, 2008 at 1:01 am
leont,
IB’s attitudes for customer service could be pointing to something deeper, as rumors keep circulating about them.
GFTFX has excellent desk service and it may be worth looking at them for an alternative platform. I believe their US office has facilities for Futures trading while other branches are integrating this facility.
Yesterday was a bloodbath for GC and without the stops being filled, I suffered worse fills when I had to resort to hitting the market button after recovering from shock!
Surely there must be a better system to avoid bad fills when stops are in place.
March 20th, 2008 at 9:49 am
On a lighter note, congrats on your book being sold out on amazon!
March 20th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Hi Leont
Sure. I’l be trying GFT’s Futures. I’ll send in my comments after a trial. I am happy with their FX service.
March 20th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Hi SOT
OK. I’ll keep Thinkorswim in mind.
March 20th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Thanks Colin. I was very happy too!