Wed 17 Sep 2008
ES 09-15-2008 III
Posted by ray under Market Commentaries
Well I got the knee-jerk reaction I was looking for and the retest of the breakout at 1200 to 1215 zone basis cash…BUT the prices that launched the bounce were at price and time levels. This raises the probability of a short-term bottom from 30% to 45%.
Note that for the charts below all figures are basis cash.
Figure 1 shows the target levels reached by the price action last night.
FIGURE 1 S&P Levels
In Figure 2, the black lines represent the quarterly trend. If there is a quarterly line turn, the minimum price will be the line turn price, currently at, 1326.23. Figure 2 shows that there are 2 high probability targets for the bounce:
- 1326 to 1335. This has a time target for Oct 30 2008. And
- 1371 t0 1384
If a rally gets underway, I’ll be able to estimate which of the two is more likely to occur.
Figure 2 S&P Retracement 60-day swing
Figure 3 shows the three benchmarks for the rally: we need to see acceptance above 1215, 1251 and 1268. Another way of saying this is these are the levels where the downtrend may resume. Of course acceptance below 1168 will signal confirmation of the resumption of the downtrend.
FIGURE 3 S&P Rally Benchmarks
Interesting times. For me, I settle back and let the market play out any rally; the quality of the rally will dictate where I will next take a position.



























September 17th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Hi Ray,
Fascinating times indeed!
The other factors that make me think the ES rally may be successful: (i) a potential 18d spring CIT, (ii) the news (and taxi drivers) are full of doom and gloom, feds didn’t cut rates and yet market hasn’t really tanked (iii) other indicies also showing signs of life - SPI has potential 5d horizontal terminal AND 18d spring, FTSE has potential spring.
September 17th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
“BUT the prices that launched the bounce were at price and time levels. This raises the probability of a short-term bottom from 30% to 45%.”
Hi Ray, can you explain what you means by price and time levels and how it increases the prob?
Thanks
Derrick
September 17th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Hi Loraine
Two points I’d mention here:
a) The 13w takes precedence over the 18d - both have the same pattern.
b) The 18-d trend has not been in effect long enough for the Spring to have a high prob of success.
September 17th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Hi Derrick
Well the market has hit time and price downside targets. That increases the probability of a rally because the downside targets have been hit.
September 18th, 2008 at 12:08 am
With re; Oztrader analysis, the SPI is this the Australian SPI ?
September 18th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Hi ray,
how are you calculation the probabilities you mention in the blog? Is this based on historical testing or a distribution curve?
September 18th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Hi Baz
Yes
September 18th, 2008 at 12:44 am
Hi Jimmy
I am not sure how you distinguish between historical testing and a distribution curve.
I arrived at the probs by:
a) Knowing the probs for a rally based on the history of reponses when these targets are met. And,
b) Re-evaluating that assesesment on a subjective assessment of the context.