Wed 13 Aug 2008
Letting the Markets Come to Us
Posted by ray under Written Plan
My preferred timeframe is the 18-day (monthly) trend. But occasionally I will day-trade. In this post, I’ll examine the conditions under which I’ll entertain the idea. I’ll answer questions that have been asked by quite a few:
“Your blogs tell me that you subscribe to other ‘tipping’ services. Why do you do this? How do you reconcile your call to us to form our plans with your own actions?”
Fair questions. But let’s turn to the day-trading question…..
Last night I did a day-trade. The ‘heads-up’ were studies by Sentiment Trader (http://www.sentimentrader.com/) and Quantifiable Edge (http://quantifiableedges.blogspot.com/) - both are subscription services and I subscribe to both.
Both services produce statistical studies to determine edges. Both did a study regarding the post FOMC price action; QE did an additional study where the ES had two consecutive up days. I like both because the parameters for their studies are well defined and the results clearly articulated.
But here is the most important point: I don’t take a trade just because a service recommends it. The services produce data; I then use that data as an input into my decision-making process. I treat this input as part of my context. The other factors were….
- On Monday, the ES touched the lower edge of my statistical time and price window. You will recall that in my video on Monday, I said that my preferred time zone for a resumption of the downtrend was the end of August/early September. Given that the ES was already at the bottom of possible resistance, if the market was going to prove my ‘time analysis’ correct, we would have to turn down early this week and resume the up move at the end of this week or next week.
- In addition, the way I use the Stock Trader’s Almanac showed that yesterday we had a high probability of having a lower close than Monday.
So when the market had an open gap down and failed to close the gap within the first hour, this raised the probability of a strong trend day down. The figures below show the entries and stop. Given that this was a contra-trend trade on 80-minute chart (day-trading timeframe), my profit target was mean ATR -1/2 stdev (20 - 5 = 15). With the high at 1301.75, I estimated the low of the day to be 1287 (1302 - 15). So I set a profit target at 1287.75.
The trend day never eventuated but the market never came close to closing the open gap. And, given the context I felt there was enough of a potential edge to hold till the close.
Yesterday’s trade also shows why and how I subscribe to services. They supplement areas in which I lack expertise - but they are not substituted for my plan. Instead they form just another input in my decision-making framework.



























August 13th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Ray
I think when you mentioned in your blogs you also subscribe to services like Whisper Numbers,among others, some readers get the impression you subscribe to a ‘tipping service’ which is totally different from what you subscribe to.
For example, Whisper Numbers, whose most basic use of data is:
Primary: As an accurate predictor of stock/market movement
Secondary: As an accurate predictor of actual EPS
To make the best trades, investors need to be aware of all factors affecting market moves. And that means understanding investor expectations or ‘whispers’.
Hence, you can only input such data into your plan as opposed to being triggered to enter a trade.
August 13th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
I feel that the question is really a bit lame.Why wouldnt anybody seek knowledge especially in an area where they hope to make money. What makes this an excellent blog site,is the fact,that you do peruse \”tipping services\” and can distill and express the information therein.I am constantly amazed at the plethora of sources you draw from.You never know when that extra bit of knowledge may be useful. cheers baz
August 13th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Hi Baz
Thank you for your support.
On the ‘question’ item : I think it’s a cultural thing (or perhaps a generation thingy): “‘Experts’ are self-contained and they don’t share”.
At least that is what my father-in-law keeps telling me.(My wife is Chinese). He can’t understand why I ‘give’ away my knowledge.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:41 am
Your father in law,might be interested to know its also a very good contemporary marketing teqhnique. An example that comes to mind is a jeweler in USA who offers a free diamond valuation course.His opposition spend millions on advertising but people tend to buy from an expert they can trust,so he has a ready market. cheers baz
August 14th, 2008 at 1:45 am
Hi Baz
I’ll tell him. He may write to you but be warned: he sends out more e-mails than a certain friend of mine!(G)
August 14th, 2008 at 1:48 am
Ray,
I see the logic of your actions.
This has probably been answered elsewhere in your blog?
Excuse my ignorance,
Mean ATR of how many bars?
Also why mean…. I thought ATR was average true range, hence averaged anyway?
Also stdev of the ATR of something else.
Thanks for your help.
August 14th, 2008 at 2:03 am
Hi Chris
How I arrive at my ideal mean ATR is in NOT. As a rule of thumb, I’d use at least 30.
Yes mean of the sample is same as ATR of the sample population.
I then take a standard deviation of the sample population to obtain the figure for the stdev of the ATR. This is all text book stuff.
Where the statisticians and I part ways is where I treat normal as being mean + 1 to mean -1/2 rather than mean +/- 1. I do this because of the skewness of most samples in trading.
My way of defining normal is not ‘mathematically pure’ but it’s an approximation that works well for me.
August 14th, 2008 at 4:28 am
Ray,
Thanks for the reply, makes more sense now.
I think I better re-read NOT, reaching for it on the bookshelf now.
I guess the main thing is that it works.
I have always liked your idea’s and way of thinking. Well done.
Thanks again.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:30 am
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Ray
I think when you mentioned in your blogs you also subscribe to services like Whisper Numbers,among others, some readers get the impression you subscribe to a ‘tipping service’ which is totally different from what you subscribe to.
For example, Whisper Numbers, whose most basic use of data is:
Primary: As an accurate predictor of stock/market movement
Secondary: As an accurate predictor of actual EPS
To make the best trades, investors need to be aware of all factors affecting market moves. And that means understanding investor expectations or ‘whispers’.
Hence, you can only input such data into your plan as opposed to being triggered to enter a trade.