Fri 29 Feb 2008
Market Profile Conclusion
Posted by ray under Written Plan
Tonight I am concluding the Market Profile series.
This is a little late because I wanted to show a real-time analysis of the ES.
Figure 1 sets 5-d (weekly) trend context. We are in a possible sideway market marked by A-B-C?. The A-B-C is taking place in the 18-d Primary Buy Zone, 1396 to 1370, basis cash (now an area of resistance).
FIGURE 1 5-d
Figure 2 shows the current Market Profile. At the end of the Initial Balance (’C’ period), we know:
- The market gapped open below Value.
- It failed to cover at least 50% of the gap by the first 90 mins.
Both (1) and (2) suggest a trend day. To fit the trend picture, we needed to see smaller than normal Initial Balance. Instead we have a test opening and an Initial Balance of 80% of the Normal Day’s range. This suggests a rotational day. In these condtions, the best fit Day Type is a Normal Day featuring a late in the day range extension to complete the Normal Range (about 20 to 25 points).
With the high being 1355, the low of the day can be expected around 1335 to 1330. Figure 2 also shows the possible entry zone at the point of inflection at 1351 to 1352,
FIGURE 2 Day Type
Figure 3 shows the Composite Profile since the low on Jan 23 2008. The last line of support is 1325 to 1330; so for today, we have some confluence of support 1325 to 1335. If I were day trading, and short from 1351, I’d seek to exit at 1331.75.
FIGURE 3 Composite Profile from 1270 Low
Remember I’ll use the inflexion point (see Figure 1) at 1351 to 1352 for entry. Now for the stop: Figure 4 helps me identify its location.
FIGURE 4 Composite Profile from Feb 28
There are two possible resistance areas:
- The 50% gap of the open: 1360 and
- The 50% of the IPM that started at the ‘L’ Period Feb 28. This comes in at 1358.
I’d place my stops for tonight at 1362.75 for the sales at 1351 to 1352. With an profit exit at around 1332, entry at 1351 and my stop at 1362.75, I have an acceptable reward:risk of around 2:1.
Hope you found the series interesting!



























February 29th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Ray
As I need to turn in early to get ready for ATIC this morning in Spore, I had to give ES a miss - a pity!
On checking your analysis against the turn of ES, you are spot on again about its trending down in view of the gap closing at 90 minutes.
It would certainly give me a good risk:reward of 2:1 if I had stayed up to trade going by your analysis.
I am now more than convinced that I should learn how to analyse the structure and development of the market using Market Profile in conjunction with Market Delta footprints to find my zone and trigger for entry and exit.
Now I understand why you advocate Market Profile in your detailed analysis.
Looking forward to your CDs on Market Profile which you intend to produce, to pursue this sophisticated system.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Not to worry Ana, there’ll other trades. Enjoy ATIC!
March 1st, 2008 at 8:26 am
Hi Ray,
In hindsight this analysis is faultless, illustrates superbly the robustness of decision making from the contextual evaluation through to short term structure analysis and day classification.
You discuss the 1352-1351 inflexion point in figure 1 - be interesting to know in more detail where these originate and fit into the grand scheme.
Thanks again for an excellent series
March 1st, 2008 at 11:55 am
Hi Ray
A couple of Q’s if I may intrude upon your generosity for which we most graciously accept.
1. Do use the default software 70% for VA or statistical 68.3%. Dalton, and Alexander use 70 in their texts.
2. Before I venture forth into excel for IB mean and SD, do you subdivide them for the six day types, or use the mean of the most recent 40 IB’s?
3. Any other software tweeks for using MP eg IB period, letters per price etc?
4. Oh its the weekend. Forget about it…
Jeff, send me an email at stules20 at hotmail.com
Ana-san ‘tick watching’ was tongue planted firmly in cheek. It was directed at you as a perverse form of encouragement about your setting stops, and going to bed. I applaud your progress and candour.
Regards
Stuart
March 1st, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Stuart-san
Good to have humour after a stressful fortnight of choppy zone in the market.
Today Ray-san did a splendid presentation at ATIC with a new angle. Perhaps, after the weekend ATIC, he may tell us why.
Tomorrow will be another new presentation at ATIC.
Have a happy weekend, all.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 am
Hi Ray,
I’m sorry, I’m in conflict about your blog now. On the one hand, I want you putting pen to paper on a new book, on the other hand, these blog updates are excellent food for thought. You seem like a good multi-tasker, so prove me right and find a way to do both please
Colin
March 3rd, 2008 at 6:14 am
BREAKING NEWS
MORNING OF MONDAY MAR 3
OUR MENTOR WILL BE ON REPEAT BROADCASTS TODAY ON BBC ASIA, RECORDED MORNING INTERVIEW BY RICO
ALSO ON ASIA.CNBC.COM WEBSITE UNDER CASHFLOW INTERVIEW TODAY.
YOU CAN TRY TO ACCESS WEBSITES.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=671108955&play=1
March 3rd, 2008 at 10:38 am
Follow-up on TV videos:
Monday Mar 3 08 - BBC Asia with Rico
Monday Mar 3 08 @ 1110 - CNBC Asia with Maura Fogarty : Cashflow
Video link
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=671108955&play=1
Here are some tv pix captured with my electronic camera.
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cnbc asia cashflow.jpg 2.18 MB
BBC 1.jpg 1.7 MB
BBC Rico.jpg 2.06 MB
cnbc asia q for ray.jpg 2.03 MB
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Hi Ray,
I’m new to Market Profile and find this series that you wrote very interesting.
As silly as I may sound, may I know what is Initial Balance?
You mentioned one of the criteria for determining a trend day is if market fail to close at least 50% of gap in 1st 90min in this post. But in your earlier post, you mentioned another time frame - 1st one hour. Can I clarify which is the one you use?
Thanks alot
March 4th, 2008 at 3:27 am
Hi Jordan
Thanks for your post.
To explain the concept of Initial Balance would take a couple of blogs. There is an excellent explanation of the idea in Mind Over Markets.
Note that my Initial Balance for the Bonds and ES is 3 periods. The bonds 1st period is the 8:20 to 8:30 CT. I’ll explain why in a future blog.
I tend to use the 1st 60 mins for the gap rule; but when the market closes the 1st hour on or near its highs or there is some reasosn for believing that the market will close at least 50% of the gap in the next 30 minutes, I give it another 30 minutes.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:32 am
Hi Colin
Sorry to hear about your grief. I am afraid I’ll be prolonging it.
Right now completing the next book is in the bottom shelf of my priorities. I am trading, organising a new hedge private hedge and my speaking schedule this year is more than a little crowded.
Probably end 2009 before the new book comes out. Sorry.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:39 am
Hi Stuart
Your questions:
Do use the default software 70% for VA or statistical 68.3%. Dalton, and Alexander use 70 in their texts.
“RB: I use Pete’s way of calcualting the Value Area (see appendix NOT). So while 70% is the nominal figure, sometimes there will be an overshoot or undershoot”
2. Before I venture forth into excel for IB mean and SD, do you subdivide them for the six day types, or use the mean of the most recent 40 IB’s?
RB: I use the most recent IBs. If you want you can try categorizing the IBs according to day ranges - Monday, Tuesday etc. We found there is some benefit to doing that .
There is no point to classifying according to Day Types.
3. Any other software tweeks for using MP eg IB period, letters per price etc?
RN: Most Mkt Profile software now allows tweaking. Google ‘Software Market Profile”.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:45 am
Hi Ryan
Thank you for your kind comments.
Your question: “You discuss the 1352-1351 inflexion point in figure 1 - be interesting to know in more detail where these originate and fit into the grand scheme”
Peter introduced this idea in one of his seminars and wrote about it either in New Market Discoveries of Steidlmayer on Markets 1st edition.
Tome Alexander also meantions it in his new book.
Inflection Points provide rejection zones - think of them as 3rd standard deviation points as the market moves directionally in search of balance (development.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:45 am
Hi Ana
Thanks for yor all your help at ATIC and on this blog